From <@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Fri Aug 22 11:08:55 1997 Return-Path: <@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (smtpc@pucc.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.99]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA11162; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:08:55 -0400 Received: from PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU(0.0.0.0) by pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7128; Fri, 22 Aug 97 10:59:57 EDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@TCUBVM) by PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2937; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:59:57 -0400 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4195; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:03:00 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 4174 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:02:13 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4172; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:01:47 -0500 Received: from ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 22 Aug 97 10:01:45 CDT Received: from mx1.dynasty.net (mx1.dynasty.net) by ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #20456) id <01IMQINQKCSW000KYU@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:00:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jessica ([208.205.50.157]) by mx1.Dynasty.Net (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA214; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:00:22 -0500 X-Sender: blkeagle@mail.dynasty.net MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970822150147.00ace4f0@mail.dynasty.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:01:47 -0500 Reply-To: "settummanque, or blackeagle (Mike Walton)" Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: "settummanque, or blackeagle (Mike Walton)" Subject: Re: Web Pages as Eagle Projects X-To: Tim Harkness , scouts-l@tcu.edu, E-Scouts@tcu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: I'm crossing this over to the Electronic Scouting discussion group because of the topic (and because we haven't had any good discussion over there in some time; E-Scouts concentrates on how to use electronic Scouting means to convey and spread the Scouting program. Look at it like the "Scouting webmaster's email discussion group") >Edward Hammitt's message reminded me of a question our NEW D.E. >asked me and I am now passing on to you guys. > >Is a web page a sutable project for an Eagle project? I understand we >have a boy who wants to do a web site for his home town. Let's look at it as an "Eagle Project", Tim. But before we start discussing it, let's review what the BSA says are the guidelines for an Eagle Scout Service Project. The following is taken from the BSA's Advancement Procedures booklet, you can hum the words with us: *heheheee* (page 15) "Eagle Scout Rank. For a service project to qualify as an Eagle Scout Service project, a boy, while a Life Scout, must plan, develop, and give leadership to others in a service project benefitting any religious institution, school or community. These projects, of course, must conform to the wishes and regulations of those for whom the project is undertaken. The Eagle Scout service project provides the opportunity for the Eagle Scout candidate to demonstate the leadership skills he has learned in Scouting. He does the project outside the sphere of Scouting. As a demonstration of leadership, the Scout must plan the work, organize the personnel needed, and direct the project to its completion. Service to others is important. Work involving Council property or other BSA activities is NOT ACCEPTABLE (my emphasis, not the book's) for an Eagle Scout service project. The service project also may not be performed for a business, or be of a commercial nature, or be a fund-raiser. *NOTE: Fund-raising is permitted only for securing materials or supplies needed to carry out the project.* Routine labor, a job or service normally rendered, should not be considered. There is no minimum number of hours that must be spent on carrying out the project. The amount of time spent should be sufficent enough for the Scout to clearly demonstrate leadership skills. *The Eagle Scout Service Project Workbook must be used to meet this requirement* " Then the page talks about approvals and the outcomes of the project. Here's the key questions that should be answered about ANY service project, and especially about the Eagle Scout service project. It's down on the bottom of page 15: "Did the candidate demonstrate leadership of others? Did he indeed direct the project rather than do all of the work himself? Was the project of real value to the religious institution, school or community group? Who from the group benefitted from the project may be contacted to verify the value of the project? Did the project follow the approved plan or were modifications needed to bring it to it's completion?" Okay... Now that the official stuff is out of the way, let me see if I can answer Tim's question: After reviewing all of this and garnering on my own experiences as an Eagle Scout and as a former Advancement Chair, here's what I feel: If the Scout works on these pages by himself, no, it's not a service project worthy of Eagle. If he's working on them as part of a business contract, no again. If he's selling space on the server and developing pages as part of that marketing effort, no. If the Scout *directs other* Scouts or non-Scouts in the development of the pages, yes, it's a service project worthy of Eagle. If he's working on them as part of a community-wide effort to get non-profits and community agencies on the World Wide Web, yes, again. If he's *teaching and coaching others* on how to generate HTML code and how to create and post pages, as part of a community-wide marketing effort, yes. The key, Tim, is that the Scout must PLAN AND DIRECT and GIVE LEADERSHIP to the entire project, not just throw up two, five or twelve pages of HTML code and some graphics and say "there it is". The Scout must involve OTHERS in the community to the effort and he must have some idea of how the project should look when completed, give reasoning as to why the project was needed in the first place, and support the contention that although "big business" can do this, it's the community effort and work that makes the difference here. There's a couple other questions that the Scout needs to consider with this project: *who is going to maintain those pages and keep them current after he's done with it?? Will it be a business, or as part of his Eagle Service project, he will *teach* those that his group has developed pages for how to maintain their own pages? *where will it be posted? Will it be part of a for-profit site (a "commerce site") or a non-profit "community resource" site? Who is "fronting the money" for the site? The Chamber of Commerce? An Internet Service Provider (ISP)? Community agency? Hope that this all helps in the discussion here and on E-Scouts! Settummanque! (c) 1997 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") (502) 827-9201 (settummanque, the blackeagle) http://dynasty.net/users/blkeagle 241 Fairview Dr., Henderson, KY 42420-4339 blkeagle@dynasty.net kyblkeagle@aol.com or waltonm@hq.21taacom.army.mil ---- FORWARD in service to youth ----