From <@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Sun Aug 24 04:11:21 1997 Return-Path: <@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from server1.capaccess.org (server1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.5]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id EAA18727; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 04:11:21 -0400 Received: from pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (smtpd@pucc.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.99]) by server1.capaccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA30587; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 04:04:49 -0400 Received: from PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU(0.0.0.0) by pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0529; Sun, 24 Aug 97 04:02:32 EDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@TCUBVM) by PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3189; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 04:02:32 -0400 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6270; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 03:05:57 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 2514 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 03:02:52 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2513; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:23:33 -0500 Received: from netgsi.com by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sat, 23 Aug 97 18:23:23 CDT Received: by NetGSI.com (8.7.5/-A/UX-AMR-1.0) id MAA03824; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:05:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <33FF0B61.6156@netgsi.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:10:45 -0400 Reply-To: Bob Gallo Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Bob Gallo Subject: Re: Crest and Participation (Was Re: Wor X-cc: blkeagle@DYNASTY.NET To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: Commenting on Mike Walton's recent post on wearing of the U.S. flag on Scout uniforms-- The wearing of the U.S. flag on the Scout uniform is a relatively recent occurrence with respect to B.S.A.'s history. Wearing of the U.S. flag on the right shoulder did not become a part of the Boy Scout and Explorer uniforms until around 1971 (I wore the U.S. flag on the right shoulder of my Scout uniform for the first time when I attended the 1971 World Jamboree, and doing so was a recent occurrence at that time). At about the same time, the U.S. flag also became a part of the Cub Scout uniform, where it was originally worn over the right pocket. >From about 1968 until around 1971, the present U.S. Flag patch made by B.S.A. was an "overseas" patch controlled through B.S.A.'s international division and issued only to B.S.A. members traveling as B.S.A. representatives outside of the United States and it's territories. (I don't know whether or not this applied to boys and leaders in the Far East, Transatlantic and other "overseas" councils). It was worn on the right pocket of the uniform and red wool jacket (and corresponding location on the old red poplin jacket) as a temporary patch. Back then, you were suppose to remove the flag patch when you returned home. I seem to recall that wearing the U.S. flag on the Scout uniform was not allowed by B.S.A. before around 1968. I don't remember why. I think it had something to do with the laws dealing with the U.S. flag that existed at the time. Instead of the U.S. flag, the B.S.A. "overseas" patch (issued from around the late-1950's until replaced by the U.S. flag patch in 1968(?)) was a shield shaped patch having a flying eagle, dark yellow border, vertical red and white stripes for the lower 2/3, a blue field for the upper 2/3, and "Boy Scouts of America." This was worn by B.S.A. participants to the 1957(?), 1959 and 1963 World Jamborees as the B.S.A. contingent patch, and was also issued by International Division for B.S.A. members traveling as B.S.A. representatives outside the U.S. and its territories. The "overseas" shield patch was not worn by B.S.A. members attending the 1967 World Jamboree because that jamboree was held in the United States (Farragut State Park, Idaho). I don't know if B.S.A. had an "overseas" patch before the shield patch I just described, but the U.S. flag was not worn. Today's B.S.A. International Activity patch (as opposed to the World Crest emblem) seems to be a descendant of the old B.S.A. "overseas" patch concept, but are not as tightly controlled, not limited to travel outside of the U.S. and territories, and may be worn indefintely as a temporary patch. Anyway, these are my comments based upon my boyhood Scouting memories (1963-1972). - BOB GALLO Eagle Scout Class of 1971 Bustlin' Beavers, Wood Badge Course SC-178 (Aug 1980) Delta Crew, Sea Badge Course NE-VI (Nov 92)