From owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU Tue Nov 18 07:26:52 1997 Return-Path: owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU (outbound.Princeton.EDU [128.112.128.84]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id HAA13709; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:26:52 -0500 Received: from lightpost by outbound.Princeton.EDU with SMTP id <543197-25171>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:19:15 -0500 Received: from pucc.Princeton.EDU (pucc.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.99]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU (8.8.0/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA16535; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@TCUBVM) by PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2932; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:15:52 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8254; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:18:15 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 8246 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:17:28 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8245; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:17:27 -0500 Received: from ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 18 Nov 97 06:17:25 CDT Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au) by ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #20456) id <01IQ58II2H8G0009WC@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU> for scouts-l@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:17:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ppp57a1.mtx.net.au (ppp57a1.mtx.net.au [203.15.30.57]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.7.NO-SPAM) with SMTP id WAA17877 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:47:10 +1030 (CST) X-Sender: sacubs@dove.net.au MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message-ID: <3.0.16.19971118210610.29871632@dove.net.au> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:47:10 +1030 Reply-To: Sarah Jones Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Sarah Jones Subject: Teen Suicide X-To: scouts-l@tcu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: G'day all, Sorry this is late...but I have been busy with exams and assigments and am now catching up on over 700 messages. I apologise if this is a bit late. One thing that happened here when one of the local Venturers died was that the District organised a grief counselling session for the unit within about 36 hours for the whole unit. The incident happened friday Night/saturday morning and they had a get togeather Sunday afternoon/evening, as soon as they got everyone togeather and had notified all lf the parents. I belive that parents were welcome to this as well. As a unit, they seem to have all coped in their own ways, but this was no doubt helped by the fact that District got in as fast as they could and helped out as well. I would like to suggest, if possiable, that this may be a idea that everyone can keep in mind...while there may not be the support within your scouting district that could help on this one, then mabye you could contact a counselling service to see what they suggest for the scout members left behind. It is certainly something thatcould be looked into. this scout unfortuantly gassed himself in the car. I bring this up, as most of the posts on this topic have delt with the issue of many using guns. There are many other ways. Growing up in Australia, I know of a few, as Australia has the unfortunate postion of having the highest suicide rate per population % than any other country in the world. This is especially so for the 15 - 25 age group. I have had several of my friends die, both naturally and through scouting. Some of the scouting ones, two were leaders, and another was a Rover. But there have been the non scouting ones as well. YIS Sarah Jones CSL Angle Vale Elizabeth District South Australia http://dove.net.au/~sacubs/sarah.html From owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU Tue Nov 18 06:51:43 1997 Return-Path: owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU (outbound.Princeton.EDU [128.112.128.84]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id GAA09228; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:51:43 -0500 Received: from lightpost by outbound.Princeton.EDU with SMTP id <543195-25171>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:44:07 -0500 Received: from pucc.Princeton.EDU (pucc.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.99]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU (8.8.0/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA15252; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@TCUBVM) by PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2654; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:40:36 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8080; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 05:42:51 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 8076 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 05:42:18 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8075; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 05:42:17 -0500 Received: from mrin45.mail.aol.com by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 18 Nov 97 05:42:15 CDT Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin45.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id GAA00680 for SCOUTS-L@tcubvm.is.tcu.edu(multiplerecipientsoflistscouts-l); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:42:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971118064208_1281446720@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:42:09 -0500 Reply-To: Morrisonch@aol.com Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Charlie Morrison Subject: Safe Haven To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: The concept of "Scouting as a Safe Haven" is relatively new in time, but it is so important. Boys must not be victims in Scouting as they may be in the other areas of their lives (home, school, the neighborhood). Although emphasizing the ideals of Scouing (SO, SL, SS, SM) covers the bases, relating them to the Safe Haven rule verbally whenever boys are violent or unkind to one another continually emphasizes the "difference" which sould exist between our Brotherhood of Scouting and the rest of the culture in which we live. Len's suicide is the extreem outcome of an unhappy, victimized life, but what of all the Len's who don't commit suicide, but quit Scouting because it's not fun to be intimidated and made fun of. Think of the learning they miss out on. Think of the fun they never experience. Think of the encouragement to succeed that is thwarted by the cruelty of others. To succeed with those who are victims outside of Scouting, we need to insure that Scouting is always a " Safe Haven". YinS, Charlie Morrison Fort Benning District MC Fort Benning, GA NE-IV-90 "Triple C" Fox member of the Clever Canine Clan