From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Sat Dec 6 02:04:39 1997 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id CAA13316; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 02:04:39 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3172; Sat, 06 Dec 97 00:57:45 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8173; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:58:05 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 8061 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:57:25 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8060; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:48:27 -0500 Approved-By: EIDSON@TCUBVM Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5697; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:10:45 -0500 Received: from ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 05 Dec 97 15:10:40 CDT Received: from mail.tznet.com (mail.tznet.com) by ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #20456) id <01IQTI0RLQTC0025ZJ@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU> for Scouts-l@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU; Fri, 05 Dec 1997 15:10:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sl125.tznet.com ([206.31.5.155]) by mail.tznet.com with SMTP (IPAD 2.0) id 3154000 ; Fri, 05 Dec 1997 15:05:50 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: jpeterson@mail.tznet.com MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message-ID: <199712052005.3154000@mail.tznet.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:05:50 -0600 Reply-To: Jim Peterson Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Jim Peterson Subject: Re: Campfire Pyrotechnics X-To: Scouts-l@tcu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: At 02:07 PM 12/5/97 -0500, Doug Roach wrote: about an ill-conceived, flaming arrow fire-start. Flaming arrows _can_ be dangerous, and aiming is near-impossible. Here's what you do: Run a length of wire from your fire-lay to the spot from where the arrow will be shot (preferably uphill from the fire, so that gravity will aid you). At the fire end of the wire, connect the wire to a stake, driven into the ground in the center of the fire-lay, with monofilament fishing line or twine. Attach two small screw-eyes into the shaft of the arrow and run the wire through them, then attach the archer-end of the wire to a nearby tree, or have an assistant hold it. When the archer shoots the arrow, he will not need to aim and will only need to get the arrow underway with enough momentum to get it to the fire. The arrow will hit the stake, preventing it from passing through the fire, then burn through the twine or fishing line, allowing the shooter to reel in the wire to conceal it from prying eyes. Use wire to fasten cloth to the end of the arrow, then soak in kerosene or charcoal-lighter. Make sure that the material is well aflame before shooting, so that it doesn't get "blown out". Also be sure that there is a clear path from the shooter to the fire and along the path of the arrow extended past the fire (just in case) and that there is no burnable material beneath the flight path of the arrow that may catch on fire from flamming materials that may drip or fall from the arrow. Flaming Arrows can be dangerous, but done right they can be both safe and very impressive. YiS, _____________________________________________________________________ Jim Peterson Advancement Chair, Boy Scout Troop 379, Blenker, Wisconsin Cubmaster, Pack 379, Auburndale, Wisconsin jpeterson@tznet.com http://www.tznet.com/jpeterson I used to be a "Singing" Eagle ... working my ticket C-8L-97 ********Citizenship************Fitness************Character********** "Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason why so few engage in it." - Henry Ford From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Fri Dec 5 21:36:07 1997 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from server1.capaccess.org (server1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.5]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id VAA04282; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:36:07 -0500 Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by server1.capaccess.org (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id VAA36204; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3006; Fri, 05 Dec 97 20:28:46 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7097; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:29:00 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 7087 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:27:02 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7086; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:27:01 -0500 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 05 Dec 97 20:26:48 CDT Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA03908 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L ); Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:24:53 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:24:53 -0600 Reply-To: golden cliff Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: golden cliff Subject: Re: Campfire Pyrotechnics X-To: Doug Roach To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L In-Reply-To: <34885105.DB329FC4@ix.netcom.com> Status: RO X-Status: I enjoyed Doug Roach's story of the flaming arrow. It reminds me of a story many many moons ago at summer camp involving an OA ceremony. The camp was Chin-Be-Gota Scout Reservation near Birnamwood, Wisconsin (the camp on longer exists). The year was 1976 or 1977. A staff member and one of the principal players in the ceremony lost one of his contact lenses. He had to wear his extra pair of glasses around camp since he was almost legally blind without them. Of course everyone knows the indians didn't wear glasses, so he refused to wear them during the OA ceremony. He wanted his portrayal to be as authentic as possible. Without giving away anything to non OA members, let me just say there is a point in the ceremony where an indian shoots and arrow into the air. The near blind boy without his glasses was that indian. Our campfire bowl was surrounded on one side by a steep ridge of ground where some of us arrowmen stood towering above the ceremony, dramatically lit by the flickering firelight. It was meant to look impressive and add a dramatic backdrop to the ceremony. As the visually deficient indian raised his bow, those of us on the ridge suddenly realized we were in his direct line of fire. Simultaneously diving to the ground we managed to keep the ceremony a bloodless one as the arrow whooshed somewhere close above us. The indian in question, not knowing how close to disaster he had come, continued speaking his lines without missing a beat, while all in attendance stood there in disbelief with their mouths gaping open. Later in the week, a newly inducted arrowman told me he thought that was the coolest part of the ceremony. >From that point on for the rest of the summer we had one indian in our ceremony who wore glasses at all times, authentic or not. YIS, Cliff Golden Scoutmaster Troop 33; DeKalb, Illinois Three Fires Council BSA > When I was a Cubmaster, we had an assistand CM decide to light a > campfire at the family campout with a flaming arrow. It was (obviously) > dark out, all the Cubs and families gathered in a large circle far from > the fire. He & I dressed the part as best we could (OA would have been > appalled), and after I finished my spiel about bringing in the spirits > to light our fire, he ignited the arrow (kerosene soaked rag on the end) > and nocked it to aim at the base of the woodpile. What he and I had not > forseen was that as soon as he looked down the length of that arrow, he > couldn't see squat. The flame on the end precluded any vision whatsoever > of the woodpile, the sky, the ground, or the Cubscouts. He slowly walked > in the direction of the fire holding the bow and arrow at the ready > until he was confident that he would not hit a kid. > He ended up shooting from about three feet. > > So much for drama. > But five years later, he still talks about the sense of abject fear he > got when he got his arrow at the ready and was blinded by the flame. And > WE still talk about how silly he looked walking up to the fire to shoot > that arrow point blank. :-) > > Whatever you decide, be careful. > > YiS, > Doug Roach > SA Troop 10 - South Florida Council - Miami > http://www.action-net.net/T10 (ya'll come visit) > mailto:djroach@ix.netcom.com > "You should never stand in Love's way.... > especially if Love is driving a bus." > From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Fri Dec 5 17:20:50 1997 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA11641; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:20:50 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2857; Fri, 05 Dec 97 16:13:46 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6113; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:14:05 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 6085 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:12:41 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6084; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:12:40 -0500 Received: from LuciaDiLammermoor.acsu.buffalo.edu by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 05 Dec 97 16:11:29 CDT Received: (qmail 9566 invoked by uid 20116); 5 Dec 1997 22:11:03 -0000 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971205221103.9565.qmail@LuciaDiLammermoor.acsu.buffalo.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:11:03 -0500 Reply-To: Don Izard Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Don Izard Subject: Re: Campfire Pyrotechnics (fwd) To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: Years ago, in the dim ages, I tried some various flaming arrows. First we tried a wire, with two eye hooks on the arrow, and on flat ground. First time the arrow stopped about 4 feet short. Next time we found a site where the arrowman stood at a point elevated on a hill behind the fire. I was cool to see the flame lite up the arrowman, and then he short the arrow. Since the arrow was traveling somewhat DOWN the wire, it reached the fire and worked well for years. scouter don former chief, and Meteu > James Ball wrote: > > > sources for dramatic starts (ie. flaming arrow), > > > > James,I don't know about the flashy fire stuff (I'm sure someone here > does), but I do have to relate one experience. > When I was a Cubmaster, we had an assistand CM decide to light a > campfire at the family campout with a flaming arrow. It was (obviously) > dark out, all the Cubs and families gathered in a large circle far from > the fire. He & I dressed the part as best we could (OA would have been > appalled), and after I finished my spiel about bringing in the spirits > to light our fire, he ignited the arrow (kerosene soaked rag on the end) > and nocked it to aim at the base of the woodpile. What he and I had not > forseen was that as soon as he looked down the length of that arrow, he > couldn't see squat. The flame on the end precluded any vision whatsoever > of the woodpile, the sky, the ground, or the Cubscouts. He slowly walked > in the direction of the fire holding the bow and arrow at the ready > until he was confident that he would not hit a kid. > He ended up shooting from about three feet. > > So much for drama. > But five years later, he still talks about the sense of abject fear he > got when he got his arrow at the ready and was blinded by the flame. And > WE still talk about how silly he looked walking up to the fire to shoot > that arrow point blank. :-) > > Whatever you decide, be careful. > > YiS, > Doug Roach > SA Troop 10 - South Florida Council - Miami > http://www.action-net.net/T10 (ya'll come visit) > mailto:djroach@ix.netcom.com > "You should never stand in Love's way.... > especially if Love is driving a bus." > From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Fri Dec 5 14:21:50 1997 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA21665; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:21:50 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2672; Fri, 05 Dec 97 13:14:59 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4981; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:15:21 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 4974 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:14:28 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4973; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:14:27 -0500 Received: from ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 05 Dec 97 13:14:04 CDT Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com) by ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #20456) id <01IQTE0FEHF4001W5V@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU> for Scouts-L@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU; Fri, 05 Dec 1997 13:13:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA27945; Fri, 05 Dec 1997 13:12:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from mia-fl13-16.ix.netcom.com(206.217.148.80) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027833; Fri Dec 5 13:11:36 1997 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3487114D.D4A@iag.net> Message-ID: <34885105.DB329FC4@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:07:49 -0500 Reply-To: Doug Roach Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Doug Roach Organization: http://www.action-net.net/T10 Subject: Re: Campfire Pyrotechnics X-To: pinewood@IAG.NET X-cc: Scouts-L To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: James Ball wrote: > sources for dramatic starts (ie. flaming arrow), > James,I don't know about the flashy fire stuff (I'm sure someone here does), but I do have to relate one experience. When I was a Cubmaster, we had an assistand CM decide to light a campfire at the family campout with a flaming arrow. It was (obviously) dark out, all the Cubs and families gathered in a large circle far from the fire. He & I dressed the part as best we could (OA would have been appalled), and after I finished my spiel about bringing in the spirits to light our fire, he ignited the arrow (kerosene soaked rag on the end) and nocked it to aim at the base of the woodpile. What he and I had not forseen was that as soon as he looked down the length of that arrow, he couldn't see squat. The flame on the end precluded any vision whatsoever of the woodpile, the sky, the ground, or the Cubscouts. He slowly walked in the direction of the fire holding the bow and arrow at the ready until he was confident that he would not hit a kid. He ended up shooting from about three feet. So much for drama. But five years later, he still talks about the sense of abject fear he got when he got his arrow at the ready and was blinded by the flame. And WE still talk about how silly he looked walking up to the fire to shoot that arrow point blank. :-) Whatever you decide, be careful. YiS, Doug Roach SA Troop 10 - South Florida Council - Miami http://www.action-net.net/T10 (ya'll come visit) mailto:djroach@ix.netcom.com "You should never stand in Love's way.... especially if Love is driving a bus."