From owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU Sat Nov 22 11:36:50 1997 Return-Path: owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU Received: from ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU (ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.3]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id LAA26139; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:36:50 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (MAILER@TCUBVM) by ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #20456) id <01IQB22191A8000QZK@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU>; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:17:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3418; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:16:27 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 3415 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:15:36 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3414; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:15:35 -0500 Received: from ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:15:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tthsc4.lubb.ttuhsc.edu by ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #20456) id <01IQB1YSNVS0000TCV@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU> for SCOUTS-L@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:15:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from default ([198.213.97.201]) by tthsc3.lubb.ttuhsc.edu with SMTP; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:15:06 -0600 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:13:12 -0600 From: Russ Jones Subject: Re: Philmont weight limits Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List X-Sender: CSRTJ@MAILHOST.TTUHSC.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Reply-to: Russ Jones Message-id: <2.2.32.19971122161312.0069cfa8@MAILHOST.TTUHSC.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: SCOUTS-L@TCU.EDU X-cc: Bill McGhee Status: RO X-Status: Bill, et al: While it might be interesting to know how Philmont did or did not enforce its new weight limitations this past summer, it would probably be more useful to look at the information they are currently distributing. Just this past week I received materials relating to my unit's reservation for a trek in 1999, including a sheet entitled "Philmont Weight Limits for Backpacking and Hiking." In addition to listing the recommended and maximum weights by height, the sheet delineates the policy as follows: "Each participant in a Philmont trek must not exceed the maximum acceptable limit in the weight for height chart shown below. The right hand column shows the maximum acceptable weight for a person's height in order to participate in a Philmont trek. Those who fall within the limits are more likely to have an enjoyable trek and avoid incurring health risks. Every Philmont trek involves hiking with a 35-50 lb. backpack between 6,500 and 12,500 ft. elevations. Philmont recommends that participants carry a pack weighing no more than 25-30% of their body weight. "Participants 21 years and older who exceed the maximum acceptable weight limit for their height at the Philmont medical recheck, [bold on] will not [bold off] be permitted to backpack or hike in Philmont. For example, a person 5'10" cannot weigh more than 226 lbs. [Bold italics on] The Philmont physicians will use their best professional judgment in determining participation in a Philmont trek by individuals under 21 years of age who exceed the maximum acceptable weight for height. Participants under 21 years of age are strongly encouraged to meet the weight limit for their height, and exceptions are not made automatically. Discussion in advance with Philmont regarding any exception to the weight limit for persons under 21 years of age is required. [Bold italics off] "The maximum acceptable weight for individuals of any age 6'7" or taller is 295 lbs. This limit is necessary due to limitations of rescue equipment and for the safety of Philmont personnel. The maximum weight for any participant in a Cavalcade Trek and for horserides is 200 lbs." Below is the height/weight table: Height Recommended Weight Maximum Acceptance 5'0" 97-138 166 5'1" 101-143 172 5'2" 104-148 178 5'3" 107-152 183 5'4" 111-157 189 5'5" 114-162 195 5'6" 118-167 201 5'7" 121-172 207 5'8" 125-178 214 5'9" 129-185 220 5'10" 132-188 226 5'11" 136-194 233 6'0" 140-199 239 6'1" 144-205 246 6'2" 148-210 252 6'3" 152-216 260 6'4" 156-222 267 6'5" 160-228 274 6'6" 154-234 281 6'7" & over 170-240 295 Based on this, it appears as though the policy is now one of zero-tolerance for the 21-and-older crowd; very limited tolerance, requiring advance discussion, for the 20-and-younger group; and an absolute maximum of 295 lbs. regardless of height, age, or any other factors. Yours in Scouting, Russ Jones Scoutmaster, Troop 575 South Plains Council, Lubbock, Texas Eagle Scout, class of 1965 "I used to be a fox..." SC-295 "I used to be a staffer..." SC-430, SR-110, SR-206