From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Tue Jan 20 18:41:43 1998 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA26183; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:41:43 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0189; Tue, 20 Jan 98 17:34:26 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8712; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:35:13 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 8703 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:34:21 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8702; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:34:20 -0500 Received: from mailhost.onramp.net by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 20 Jan 98 17:30:18 CDT Received: from lporans.onramp.net (isdn1-21.hstntx.onramp.net [204.251.110.21]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA12219; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:26:26 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: lporans@onramp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <199801202226.QAA12219@mailhost.onramp.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:24:49 -0600 Reply-To: Lew Orans Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Lew Orans Subject: Re: History X-To: GMarmet@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L In-Reply-To: <2a47900c.34c4db9a@aol.com> Status: RO X-Status: At 12:15 PM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >What I am not familiar with (and have seen only passing reference to) are >those organizations that sprang up in the US with Scouting in their name that >the BSA was successful in quashing. Outfits like the American Boy Scouts or >that recent Tennessee (?) outfit that the BSA took to court. I understand the >legal issues about use of the word Scouting- even the argument, presented in >court, that the BSA is the "official" preacher of Baden Powell's message (I >believe Baden Powell may have even been persuaded to sign an affidavit to that >effect). What I don't know is anything about these no longer existant groups. >What were they like, what were their ranks, age groups, uniforms, insignia? >Nothing fancy here, just curious. Anybody know anything? Supporters .... You may know that two organizations, the Sons of Daniel Boone led by Dan Beard, and the Woodcraft Indians, led by Ernest Thomsen Seton both made significant contributions to Scouting in the BSA. Both Beard and Seton joined the leadership of the new organization and lent their support in the early days. Edgar Robinson of the YMCA was an important figure in the early days, and the "Y's" support was significant. (Robinson was Executive Secretary of the BSA when it was first formed. He was succeeded by James E. West). The Woodcraft movement continued for many years and there are "descendents" in some places in America and abroad. I suspect most of Woodcraft (for boys) and the membership of the Sons of Daniel Boone were absorbed (in a friendly way) by Scouting after their founders provided leadership in the BSA. Competitors There was a "rival" group called the American Boys Scouts developed with the support of William Randolph Hearst (the publisher of the Hearst newspapers). There were also a Boy Scouts of the United States and the National Scouts of America. Hearst's group presented the biggest challenge for the better part of Scouting's first decade. You can find a good account in Robert Peterson, The Boy Scouts, An American Adventure, published by American Heritage as part of Scouting's 75th Anniversary. Hope this information is helpful. Yours in Scouting, Lew Orans Houston, Texas lporans@onramp.net webmaster@pinetreeweb.com http://www.pinetreeweb.com Home of the Pine Tree Web