From Smokeyccs4@aol.com Sat Mar 7 08:16:15 1998 Return-Path: Smokeyccs4@aol.com Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.157]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id IAA11224 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 08:16:15 -0500 Received: from Smokeyccs4@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id JRLa021408 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 08:08:10 -0500 (EST) From: Smokeyccs4 Message-ID: <64c9a684.350146bc@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 08:08:10 EST To: mfbowman@CAPACCESS.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Commish - Commissioner Side Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Status: RO X-Status: Mike, I think that the reason that the units I was serving as a UC has a good relationship with me is because I most of the leaders knew me already since I was on RT staff, Leader Training Staff and also Jungle Book Staff. So they felt comfortable with me and knew me prior to just walking in or calling and saying I am your UC. YIS Cindy 3 Rivers Dist./Detroit Area Council From dloomis@nh.ultranet.com Sat Mar 7 09:42:13 1998 Return-Path: dloomis@nh.ultranet.com Received: from hammurabi.nh.ultra.net (hammurabi.nh.ultra.net [205.162.79.24]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id JAA20604 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:42:13 -0500 Received: from xenic (d21.dial-1.prt.nh.ultra.net [207.41.146.21]) by hammurabi.nh.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult.n14767) with SMTP id JAA31921 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:34:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35015AFC.3E79@nh.ultranet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 09:34:36 -0500 From: Dave Loomis Reply-To: dloomis.nospam@nh.ultranet.com Organization: S. O. A. R. Computer Consultants X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-GZone (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael F. Bowman" Subject: Re: Commish - Service References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: Michael F. Bowman wrote: > > If you are or have served as a Scout Leader, what things would you most > like to see out of a Commissioner? What things have helped you most in > the past? > That s/he be there for us. I once had to beg my unit commissioner to help us after searching far and near to determine WHO our commissioner really was. This was an extreme situation, but they do happen. As far as I knew, he never came around. Dave To reply, remove the word, "nospam" from my return address. ************************************************************************* * Dave Loomis * * * 164 Tuttle Lane * (603) 431 5342 * * Greenland, NH 03840 * dloomis@nh.ultranet.com * ************************************************************************* * Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam * * possit materiari? * ************************************************************************* From dloomis@nh.ultranet.com Sat Mar 7 17:29:40 1998 Return-Path: dloomis@nh.ultranet.com Received: from hammurabi.nh.ultra.net (hammurabi.nh.ultra.net [205.162.79.24]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id RAA26773 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:29:40 -0500 Received: from xenic (d12.dial-4.prt.nh.ultra.net [207.41.146.108]) by hammurabi.nh.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult.n14767) with SMTP id RAA05719 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:22:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3501C888.2D47@nh.ultranet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 17:22:01 -0500 From: Dave Loomis Reply-To: dloomis.nospam@nh.ultranet.com Organization: S. O. A. R. Computer Consultants X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-GZone (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael F. Bowman" Subject: Re: Commish - Commissioner Side References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: Michael F. Bowman wrote: > > If you are or have served as a Commissioner, what do you think helped you > most in establishing a good relationship with the units you have served > or are serving? > Working with the training team as a trainer. Meeting a commissioner for the first time as a trainer establishes the commissioner's bona fides as a person to turn to who not only knows the answers, but can help you out of a problem. You get a chance to meet the unit people without the spy-from-district onus, as a friend, and can often asses their scouting abilities in a neutral situation. When I first became an ADC, I was the Boy Scout training chairman, and asked that the commissioners who worked for me also serve as trainers at least once a year. It seemed to work then, and as I have served as a trainer later on, worked for me as time passed. Dave To reply, remove the word, "nospam" from my return address. ************************************************************************* * Dave Loomis * * * 164 Tuttle Lane * (603) 431 5342 * * Greenland, NH 03840 * dloomis@nh.ultranet.com * ************************************************************************* * Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam * * possit materiari? * ************************************************************************* From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Sun Mar 8 10:45:00 1998 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from server1.capaccess.org (server1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.15]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id KAA21374 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:45:00 -0500 Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by server1.capaccess.org (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id KAA26602 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9102; Sun, 08 Mar 98 09:36:58 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3053; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:38:04 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 1540 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:36:54 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1539; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:19:26 -0500 Received: from ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sat, 07 Mar 98 14:19:23 CDT Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com) by ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #20456) id <01IUDXRLR8ZK00B4RM@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU> for Scouts-L@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU; Sat, 07 Mar 1998 13:41:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from NeilLup@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id DNJHa23135; Sat, 07 Mar 1998 14:41:08 -0500 (EST) MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <98efa5a6.3501a2d6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:41:08 -0500 Reply-To: NeilLup Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: NeilLup Subject: Re: Unit Commissioner Question X-To: KIM.H.BOLICK@MONSANTO.COM, Scouts-L@tcu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: << I've been a UC for about 8 years, ADC for a year and got roped into DC last week. I serve two units; 1 troop, 1 pack. I visit the troop every week. It's the unit my son is in and I happen to be the CC. The pack is one I used to be MC and Softball coach for. Kim Bolick kim.h.bolick@monsanto.com CC, UC, DC, Eagle '67, used to be a Beaver....>> Hello Kim, I can see why you were asked to be District Commissioner. Congratulations and thank you for taking that most important job. You didn't ask for counsel or advice, but I hope you won't object if I give you some. District Commissioner is and should be a full-time Scouting job. The DC should hold no other Scouting jobs. If, in recruiting you, your District Director told you that you could continue to hold your other jobs then either he was so desperate to fill the job, or so desperate to recruit YOU into the job that he LIED to you (and that is not a word that I use lightly at all.) Here are the reasons: 1) As District Commissioner, you are the top uniformed official in your District and one of the top uniformed officials in your Council. You represent the units to District Meeting, District Roundtables, the Council Commissioner's meeting, training, camping, etc. You also represent the District and Council to the units. You will be invited to attend and present awards at Blue and Gold Dinners, Eagle Courts of Honor, other Courts of Honor, etc. If the DC isn't there (particularly if the ADC or DE or DChairman aren't there either) it is noticed. 2) Your first four most important jobs are recruit, recruit, recruit, recruit. You need to be out meeting people, visiting units choosing and selecting people for your Commissioner's staff and for other District positions. Unless yours is a most unusual Commissioner's staff, you have plenty of recruiting to do. 3) You are a member of the District Key 3. That will involve you in some conversations and dealings that you didn't even know were going on. 4) As the DC, you and the ADCs have the job to cover commissioner vacancies in both the units and the roundtables. You as the DC have the job to cover ADC vacancies. 5) Arguably the most important, you are setting a very bad example. We train leaders that Scouting jobs are important and that we should continue recruiting until we have one leader, one job particularly for important Unit and District jobs. Yet in your District, any leader can point to you and say "Look at Kim the District Commissioner. He still is a unit CC and also a UC." The message you are sending is that DC is not an important enough job for that to be your only job, or else that being a CC is so incredibly important and worthwhile that you won't let someone else do it, even if you hold the most important uniformed job in the District. In my previous council, where I was Council Commissioner, I had a DC who also was a SM and a very active member of the council training committee. In talking with him, I said that DC should be his only job and he said that he had made it very clear when he was recruited that SM was his first job and council training was his second. Any time left over was for DC duties. I talked with the District Chairman (the DE job was vacant) who said "He is my District Commissioner and that is how it is going to be." The result was that District had no Commissioner service for the entire time that person held the job. You have said that you have been UC for your unit and also ADC for that unit. This idea has always troubled me even though I know it is exceedingly common. I know you are objective, but still it a true outsider is needed, that person is not available. If you continue to provide Commissioner service to your unit, that may be OK, but do it as DC. Leave the UC slot vacant to remind you that you still have more recruiting to do. DC is an incredibly important job for good Scouting throughout the District. It is also, in my opinion, the second most difficult job in Scouting, with the most difficult being District Chairman. The reason is that there is so much responsibility and accountability with less glory, reward and decision making power than in higher jobs. By contrast, I think Council President, Council VP and Council Commissioner are much easier. This is part of the reason that when I serve on Silver Beaver Committees, I look for individuals who are willing to undertake the hard work, low glory jobs like DC, DChairman and Finance Chairman. This is also part of the reason that tenure in those jobs should be strictly limited. Three years maximum and two years is better. But the rewards of being DC are fantastic! You have the satisfaction of knowing that you are influencing thousands of youth and of helping hundreds of leaders. You are THE MAN! So may I counsel some action (and this may cause your District Director to mail me a bomb): Look at yourself honestly in the mirror and decide if you are willing to make District Commissioner your full time Scouting job for a limited period of time. If so, then immediately take action to replace yourself as CC of your unit (perhaps you can remain as MC), step out of the UC job and reduce your involvement in the training team. Remember, it is only for a limited period of time. OR Decide that you don't really want to undertake the full responsibilities of the District Commissioner job you agreed to do and submit your resignation to the District Director. I hope you do the former. From the sound of your post, your District needs you and Scouting in your area can really benefit from your service. Of course, I welcome any comments from other listmembers. Best wishes, Neil Lupton Council Commissioner Boston Minuteman Council From HFHL72D@prodigy.com Sun Mar 8 11:07:18 1998 Return-Path: HFHL72D@prodigy.com Received: from clmout1-int.prodigy.com (clmout1-ext.prodigy.com [198.83.18.139]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id LAA24025 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:07:18 -0500 Received: from mime4.prodigy.com (mime4.prodigy.com [192.168.254.43]) by clmout1-int.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28634 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:59:46 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime4.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id KAA16800 for mfbowman@CAPACCESS.ORG; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:53:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199803081553.KAA16800@mime4.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: HFHL72D@prodigy.com (MR ALLEN T MADDOX) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:53:24, -0500 To: mfbowman@CAPACCESS.ORG Subject: Youth Leadership - Coach Status: RO X-Status: >What methods have you found to be most successful in helping youth >members to develop leadership qualities? Are there better strategies to >try for a unit that is just starting with mostly younger boys? How much >coaching is too much? about right? not enough? I have found that you have to teach them to be Scouts. Most of the time they know nothing of Patrols, Skits, Cheers, Hikes, etc. Show them how to do it, then let them do it. Then they can teach how to do it. ____ YiS Allen Maddox SM T9 Honey Brook, PA Horseshoe Trail District, Chester County Coucil HFHL72D@prodigy.com From mkonigsd@surfsouth.com Sun Mar 8 22:02:54 1998 Return-Path: mkonigsd@surfsouth.com Received: from surfsouth.com (root@amanda.surfsouth.com [204.189.116.10]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id WAA03560 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:02:54 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (dial-tif-1232.surfsouth.com [208.158.17.32]) by surfsouth.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17313 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:55:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3503352A.7187@surfsouth.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:17:46 -0800 From: "M. Konigsdorffer" Reply-To: mkonigsd@surfsouth.com Organization: BSA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael F. Bowman" Subject: Re: Unit Leadership I - Marks References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: One who is always willing to do their best for their fellow leaders and the boys. They are also the ones that recognize that other leaders may have many commitments as well and they are willing to share the load, and offer praise and assistance. melissa From mkonigsd@surfsouth.com Sun Mar 8 22:02:55 1998 Return-Path: mkonigsd@surfsouth.com Received: from surfsouth.com (root@amanda.surfsouth.com [204.189.116.10]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id WAA03574 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:02:55 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (dial-tif-1232.surfsouth.com [208.158.17.32]) by surfsouth.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17299 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:55:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <350334B9.6A4E@surfsouth.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:15:53 -0800 From: "M. Konigsdorffer" Reply-To: mkonigsd@surfsouth.com Organization: BSA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael F. Bowman" Subject: Re: Commish - Scout Leader Side References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: If once in a while he would show up at a meeting or at least call me to see if we needed any help with anything. We are pretty self functioning, but it would be nice to be thought of occasionally. Melissa Cubmaster Pack 859 etc. Douglas, GA From dixonj@rococo.colorado.edu Sun Mar 8 22:32:15 1998 Return-Path: dixonj@rococo.colorado.edu Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU (root@boulder.Colorado.EDU [128.138.240.1]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id WAA08939 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:32:15 -0500 Received: from rococo.Colorado.EDU (rococo.Colorado.EDU [128.138.189.238]) by boulder.Colorado.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7/UnixOps/Hesiod/(SDM)) with SMTP id UAA24974 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:24:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by rococo.Colorado.EDU (cu.generic.890828) Message-Id: <35036154.F6A7A55D@rococo.colorado.edu> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 22:26:12 -0500 From: Jon Dixon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael F. Bowman" Subject: Re: Unit Leadership I - Marks X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: These are quite a series of questions you pose. I figured I'd start with this one, since I thought I could say the most on it right off. > What are the marks of a successful leader in your opinion? The short answer I would give is that a successful leader is one who people follow. No matter what else you might be (or not be), if people do not follow you then you are not a leader. And conversely, if people DO follow you, then you are indeed a leader--whether or not you want to be. Expanding on that, it seems to me that there are three things that are needed to become a really successful leader: a goal, a desire, and the ability to communicate that goal to others. The goal is needed because that is what people will follow you to. If you stumble around aimlessly, then even those who might initially have been following you will generally fade away. When you have that goal, then you need the desire to reach that goal. If you are not dedicated to the goal, then others will sense that and will be reluctant to follow. But if you have bought into the goal and are willing to put yourself and your efforts into the goal then others will see that. Which leads into the last part, being able to communicate the goal, to inspire others to reach for the goal as well. This is what separates a leader from a mere visionary, since this is what truly convinces people to follow you. As I think about the successful leaders throughout history (both famous and infamous), it seems to me that these are the traits they share. Jon -- Jon Dixon dixonj@colorado.edu http://sandman.colorado.edu/~dixonj/ From marv@evcom.net Mon Mar 9 09:34:57 1998 Return-Path: marv@evcom.net Received: from zothommog.evcom.net (root@zothommog.evcom.net [208.136.203.8]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id JAA12544 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:34:57 -0500 Received: from evcom.net (orl-tcr3-3.evcom.net [208.143.217.131]) by zothommog.evcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01488; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:27:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3504260B.B043A456@evcom.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:25:31 -0800 From: Marvin Rosen Reply-To: marv@evcom.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael F. Bowman" CC: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Subject: Re: Commish - Commissioner Side References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: Michael F. Bowman wrote: > If you are or have served as a Commissioner, what do you think helped you > most in establishing a good relationship with the units you have served > or are serving? Be a friend to the unit. Point out the positive things you observe in the unit. Let then know you are there to provide service to make there job easier, not to judge them. Don't be a know it all. If a question is asked that you don't have an answer to, dont make one up, follow through and get an answer for then. Don't be offended if they don't take your suggestions.Remember who is important here!......The SCOUTS without them there would be no scouting, without a Scoutmaster and assistants the program would probably not happen. Without a Commissioner the program would continue, we only help to smothe some of the bumps. YIS Marvin Rosen Central Florida UC TP507 CC From Peter.Sharpe@fdc-invest.com Mon Mar 9 10:33:39 1998 Return-Path: Peter.Sharpe@fdc-invest.com Received: from fdcmail.fdc-invest.com (fdc-invest.com [204.241.68.100]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA27871 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:33:39 -0500 Received: from ccMail by fdcmail.fdc-invest.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 000C7C92; Mon, 9 Mar 98 10:28:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:40:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000C7C92.001502@fdc-invest.com> From: Peter.Sharpe@fdc-invest.com (Peter Sharpe) Subject: Re: Commish - Scout Leader Side To: "Michael F. Bowman" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Status: RO X-Status: Mike: We had a new commissioner start about 2 years ago. When I first met him I introduced myself, and told him my position in my Pack. The next time I ran into him, I again introduced myself, thinking that he ahd met so may other people that he couldn't possibly remember me. Now, he will call me to help him when he needs it (but this gains my Pack some advantages also (you scratch mine, I scratch yours). Peter Sharpe WDL, Pack 61 Yankee Clipper Council Saugus, MA ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Commish - Scout Leader Side Author: "Michael F. Bowman" at Internet Date: 3/6/98 8:58 PM If you are or have served as a Scout Leader, what do you think helped a Commissioner most in establishing a good relationship with you? Speaking in | mfbowman@scouter.com netcommish@aol.com the Scouting | The NetCommish http://members.aol.com/netcommish Spirit from | Professor Beaver Online - http://usscouts.org/profbvr/ Alexandria, VA| U.S. Scouting Service Project - http://usscouts.org From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Sun Mar 15 00:41:41 1998 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from server1.capaccess.org (server1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.15]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id AAA19889 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:41:41 -0500 Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by server1.capaccess.org (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id AAA32894 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3638; Sat, 14 Mar 98 23:33:05 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6724; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:34:09 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 2971 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:33:20 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2970; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:33:13 -0500 Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 13 Mar 98 11:29:22 CDT Received: from RAGerhard@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id JZMJa23134 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:27:45 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:27:45 EST Reply-To: RAGerhard Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: RAGerhard Subject: Re: Commish - Service To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 98-03-07, the esteemed Mr. Bowman asks: << If you are or have served as a Scout Leader, what things would you most like to see out of a Commissioner? >> I'd be happy just having my Unit Commish introduce him/herself! Seriously, in the past three years, I've met one UC assigned to one of my units, and I only saw him long enough for him to drop off rally materials the day of the rally. In the recent thread concerning what makes/how to be a good UC, I was happy to see so many say they made contact at least once a month. That is exactly what I would like to see: accessability. Let me know who you are, don't make me call the council office. (Isn't that the whole idea of a UC in the first place?) Robert Gerhard Cubmaster & Webelos ADL BSA Pack 83, Ft. Worth, TX