From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Mon Mar 16 02:55:08 1998 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from server1.capaccess.org (server1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.15]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id CAA07332 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 02:55:08 -0500 Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by server1.capaccess.org (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id CAA26396 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 02:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4113; Mon, 16 Mar 98 01:47:03 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0369; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:48:16 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 0360 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:47:38 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0359; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:47:37 -0500 Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 16 Mar 98 01:47:35 CDT Received: from dircon.co.uk (root@tdc.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.50]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA20095; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:46:15 GMT Received: by dircon.co.uk (5.67b) id AA03545; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:46:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:46:08 +0000 Reply-To: Ian N Ford FRSH Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Ian N Ford FRSH Subject: Re: Drugs X-To: Dennis and Karen Bastarache To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L In-Reply-To: <350C8B76.E8D5F5FC@net1plus.com> Status: RO X-Status: Dennis All I can suggest is that you get the facts and discuss the issue at Scoutmaster conferences etc. with your Scouts. There is no " natural progression " from soft to hard drugs in terms of pharmacology, but the fact that both are illegal may mean that the same pusher may try to get them to use hard drugs. The environment is an important factor here, e.g. the club scene is a major area of activity for ecstasy and amphetamine. There is some suggestion that pot can bring to the surface psychotic illness ... I don't think it would be true to say that it " causes " it, but if there is a propensity it will be brought out. Psychiatrist R D Laing used cannabis both professionally to help disinhibit patients in therapy, and recreationally. There are cases where relatively short-term use has exacerbated existing mental health problems. Half a joint will leave traces in a blood or urine sample 28 days afterwards (UK National Poison Centre) so if youngsters are in sports programs or schols that do drug tests this is a point to bear in mind. You ought to consider whether these young man have underlying problems , e.g. problems at home, pressure of school work etc. that could be worked through. Also, kids with undiagnosed AD/HD sometimes " self-medicate " with illicit drugs, tobaco and alcohol. The issues I see it are around the Scout Oath and Law, in that cannabis is illegal ( A Scout is obedient ) and does pose health risks - albeit that some authorities claim that tobacco and alcohol are a greater risk. But at their age tobacco and alcohol are illegal too, of course. Non-prescribed psychoactive drugs are not compatible with " metally awake ". I would say that the main thing is not to over-react, but to discus the issue in terms of life choices, career goals, ethics. What would a drugs conviction meant in terms of getting car insurance, a job ... BSA has, of course, a zero tolerance policy at Scout functions. Transatlantic Council has a policy that anyone found using illicit drugs will be turned over the the civil police or, in case of military dependents, to the US military authorities. Ian N Ford Special Needs Adviser, Greenwich District Scout Council, London UK From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Mon Mar 16 07:00:28 1998 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id HAA16667 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:00:28 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4134; Mon, 16 Mar 98 05:52:52 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0701; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:54:05 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 0692 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:53:08 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0691; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:53:03 -0500 Received: from magpage.com by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 16 Mar 98 05:53:01 CDT Received: from gaelwolf (pm3-4-11.phl.magpage.com [208.222.91.164]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA23844; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:51:41 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <005801bd50d1$b5c02f60$a45bded0@gaelwolf> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:50:23 -0500 Reply-To: Norman MacLeod Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Norman MacLeod Subject: Re: Drugs X-To: Dennis and Karen Bastarache To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: One of the things you can do is to contact your local chapter of Narcotics Anonymous. Find out if there is a recovering addict who might be willing to come and talk about drugs and what their abuse can do to a person. If there is, you would want to get to know this person, and learn his or her story. If you can establish a personal level of friendship before you bring the Troops as a whole into your anti-drugs project, the effort will be more effective. Recovering addicts are often people who want to do whatever they can to reduce the chances that kids will travel the same path they did. They KNOW the drugs community and "system" far better than ANY professionally trained D.A.R.E. counselor who is not a recovering addict EVER will...which is perhaps part of the reason that D.A.R.E. is not quite as effective as it could be. Your justice system may be able to help out in terms of bringing you into contact with convicted dealers, either in person or through a videotaped presentation. There are people in the corrections system who want to find ways to reach out to help keep kids from becoming "correction department clients". At the same time, you should also have parents who who have a child that traveled the drugs road become part of your effort. Their purpose would be to work with your Scouts' parents, working through their experiences as parents of an addict. One thing we ALL need to remember is that drugs are not only an inner city problem. While the poorer areas of our nations are where most of the dealers are to be found, most of their customers come from more affluent areas of the community, like in YOUR neighbourhood... Norman -----Original Message----- From: Dennis and Karen Bastarache To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 12:42 AM Subject: Drugs >Hello list, > >Recently I have been alerted that there are several boys in my troop >that smoke marijuana. >To my knowledge they are not smoking during scouting events. In the past >I have had the DARE (Drug Awareness Resistance Education) program >presented at troop meetings, But I don't feel it has been effective. > >Does anyone have any ideas on how to send a powerful anti drug message? > >YIS > >Dennis Bastarache >Scoutmaster >Troop27 East Templeton, Ma. >"I used to be an Eagle..." (Still working on my ticket) >http://www.net1plus.com/users/bastarache/tr27.htm > From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Mon Mar 16 16:09:31 1998 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from server1.capaccess.org (server1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.15]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id QAA21389 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:09:31 -0500 Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by server1.capaccess.org (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id PAA35426 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4435; Mon, 16 Mar 98 14:54:21 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2377; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:55:24 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 2367 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:54:10 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2365; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:54:09 -0500 Approved-By: EIDSON@TCUBVM Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9822; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:17:17 -0500 Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sun, 15 Mar 98 22:17:14 CDT Received: from Omykidsmom@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id TJSMa11554; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:15:45 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 Message-ID: <43d921a9.350ca772@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:15:45 EST Reply-To: Omykidsmom Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Omykidsmom Subject: Re: Drugs X-To: bastarache@NET1PLUS.COM To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: Find out if an area trauma hospital has a program where teens can tour the trauma unit to see the impact that drugs/drinking have on people. Baltimore's premier world-class trauma (they basically invented trauma care for civilans) has a program where teens come in and see the aftermath of traffic accidents- they see the trauma doctors/nurses work on people. It is supposed to have a great effect on them. Go through a local Narcotics Anonymous chapter, or a drug rehab, or a local judge/sentencing program. You can usually find someone who has been sentenced to a community outreach as part of their sentence-they can come in and talk in a very personal manner about how drugs has messed up their lives. Tour the local jail, let them see up close what it is like. Hope these suggestions help, and good luck. It is always frightening when teens turn to any drug. YIS, Omykidsmom Susan O'Connell Boy Scout/Girl Scout Leader Baltimore