From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Tue Jan 13 14:59:36 1998 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA24392; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:59:36 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0786; Tue, 13 Jan 98 13:52:11 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8548; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:52:51 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 8543 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:52:11 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8542; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:52:10 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 13 Jan 98 13:50:58 CDT Received: (qmail 21832 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jan 1998 19:22:34 -0000 Received: from 164.58.169.109 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:22:33 PST X-Originating-IP: [164.58.169.109] Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <19980113192234.21831.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:22:33 PST Reply-To: Glenn Stout Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Glenn Stout To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: I have just recently turned my Scouts-L mail back on after the holiday break, so please forgive me if this has already been posted. The following is a news brief from the Altus (OK) Times dated Sunday, Jan. 11, 1998: "OKARCHE BOY YOUNGEST EAGLE SCOUT OKARCHE,Okla. (AP)-- A 12-year-old Okarche boy on Saturday will become the youngest Boy Scout ever to earn the rank of Eagle Scout, troop officials say. D. G. will receive the rank during a 2 p.m. Saturday ceremony at St. John's Lutheran Church. D. G., a member of Troop 352, Great Salt Plains Council, was 12 years, 2 months and 22 days old when he earned the rank by completing the requirements for his 21st merit badge." I deleted the youth's name from the article. I thought y'all might be interested. Comments? YiS, Glenn Stout: Eagle, OA-Brotherhood ASM Troop 230 Ast. Chapter Adv. Ma-nu Lodge Last Frontier Council, Okla "If I claim to be a wise man; then it must surely mean that I don't know." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Tue Jan 13 13:33:27 1998 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from server1.capaccess.org (server1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.5]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id NAA17385; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:33:27 -0500 Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by server1.capaccess.org (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id KAA130982; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0033; Tue, 13 Jan 98 09:46:06 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3284; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:46:44 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 2833 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:45:32 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2831; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:34:07 -0500 Received: from unlinfo3.unl.edu by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 13 Jan 98 09:33:45 CDT Received: from unlinfo.unl.edu (unlinfo.unl.edu [129.93.1.11]) by unlinfo3.unl.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01287; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:48:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from unlinfo.unl.edu (is-blosee2.unl.edu [129.93.17.34]) by unlinfo.unl.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA28998; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:56:44 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <34BA3C5F.61FD66C@unlinfo.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:53:04 -0600 Reply-To: Robert Losee Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Robert Losee Subject: Re: Some motivational help needed here (Don't mandate the Eagle Award) X-To: Amick Robert To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: Amick Robert wrote: > Negative reinforcement never works. Parents and leaders need to take an > attitude that the decision rests with the youth. Offer encouragement, > opportunity, help and support, but don't mandate. More often than not, > the results will be pleasing to both, and there will be a great deal of > appreciation and gratitude from the youth, especially in later years. Never is a pretty strong word and easily refuted by a single example. In this case the example is me. The situation we are talking about here is certifiable couch potatoes. My sons are close to that and I certainly was. In the seventh grade our pastor asked each student in his confirmation class to estimate the amount of time they viewed TV each week. I was in the top couple of about 40 kids with about 40hours/week. It was my full time job. I did not play instrument, did not do sports, and I did not want to be in any organization including scouts. And I hated camping (burnt food, mosquitoes, poison ivy, yuck!). Of course it was pointed out all the positive things I'd miss but I didn't care. In the end my parents used what I would call *positive* reinforcement in that I received a rewarded for doing something. In this case the something was earning my Eagle; the reward was I could quite scouts and be free. So I got my Eagle. But the outcome was a little different than I expected. In my Eagle Court of Honor I watch others get their ranks and badges, then I was awarded my Eagle, got in a car, drove over to an Explorer Post where my friends had gone, joined, went to Philmont, fell in love with backpacking, decided to go for more of it with Outward Bound in Colorado, and through this experience I eventually fell in love with my wife of twenty years. I also found myself reevaluating my scouting experience deciding it was a good thing for me after all. Since that time I've tried to live up to the rank. If my parents had not been so forceful, and if they had subscribed to what seems to be the prevalent ethos of today, I would have been classed as not self motivated (a true statement), unredeemable as encouragements didn't seem to help (a true statement), so perhaps I should just go through that door and not come back. It's for this reason that I call myself the reluctant scout. I find few on this list like myself and in fact almost everyone seems to have been gung ho from the beginning, striving for that Eagle. As a consequence they have little understanding of and for people like me, and in my opinion miss the mark on how to work with scouts in this category. The bottom line for me is that we all have different genetics, experiences, and environments making each person unique and therefore there is no one solution that works on all. We need to be aware of a host of ways to motivate and this may be one method for a small group of scouts. YiS, Bob Losee, SM T25 Lincoln NE