From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Wed Apr 29 22:57:01 1998 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from mail1.bellatlantic.net (mail1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.32.38]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id WAA22558 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:57:01 -0400 Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by mail1.bellatlantic.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA01461 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8276; Thu, 30 Apr 98 07:16:19 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1652; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:16:30 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 0883 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:15:26 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0881; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:57:58 -0500 Approved-By: EIDSON@TCUBVM Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3661; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:18:42 -0500 Received: from alley.gator.net by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 28 Apr 98 19:18:36 CDT Received: from default (gsv109.gator.net [207.243.60.109]) by alley.gator.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00299; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:11:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <019501bd7304$17e52ac0$6d3cf3cf@default> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:16:38 -0400 Reply-To: Bruce Major Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Bruce Major Subject: Re: Knives and kids. X-To: Byron Hynes To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: Our Pack once did a expo booth where the kids cut out construction paper folding knives with two blades and two sides. The pieces were held together by paper fasteners (brads). The rules for knife safety were written on the sample "blades". Each youth had to cut out the pieces of the "knife", write the safety rules on the "blades", and assemble the finished product (about ten inches long). They could take it with them. There was also an exercise in assembling the pieces that re-informed the safety rules. It seemed to get their attention and everybody had fun. Bruce Major Gainesville, FL -----Original Message----- From: Byron Hynes I have been asked to teach some kids about knife safety and basic use. I would like to know if anyone has suggestions for creative, fun and safe ways to convey basic knife safety or knife usage to a younger audience. From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Wed Apr 29 23:07:36 1998 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from mail1.bellatlantic.net (mail1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.32.38]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id XAA26241 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:07:36 -0400 Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by mail1.bellatlantic.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA00315 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8250; Thu, 30 Apr 98 07:04:43 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1435; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:04:56 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 0985 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:04:12 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0984; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:27:52 -0500 Approved-By: EIDSON@TCUBVM Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5741; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:06:21 -0500 Received: from megahits.com by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 29 Apr 98 06:06:13 CDT Received: from megahits.com [207.76.74.178] by megahits.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.04) id A9CA7300E0; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:06:50 EDT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <70DA10298BD1D1118C1D00A0C977EC5F262C@whitefish.ntnet.nt.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <354708AE.BD4BFB45@megahits.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:02:06 -0400 Reply-To: Rob Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: Rob Subject: Re: Knives and kids. X-To: Byron Hynes To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: Assuming these are Cub Scouts: They are taught about knives in the Bear rank - 3rd grade. It is not a course in whittling, or mumblety-peg. It's in the book, and generally, you're showing the boys how to handle the knife as a tool and how NOT to get cut. That said, I wouldn't even think about showing Wolves how to use knives even privately - too risky. It's usually a worry-fraught meeting teaching the Bears to do it. Not to admit this, but we generally have about .75 kids/year bleed. One year, the Den leader's son caught his dad with an ill-timed swipe while whittling on a closet dowel. Quick first-aid lessons resulted - I don't know what happened when the den went home :) Follow your book - it's the safe way. Start 'em on soap; you can then show 'em how to remold the resulting shavings into usable soap with a teensy bit of water and some drying time. Also, try 'em on whittling their Pinewood Derby cars...we instituted 'Best Car Obviously Done by a Kid' award last year - the kids loved it, and we had some, um, imaginative cars. The PW Derby cars are generally made from soft enough wood to do this - occasionally, they're made from hard pine and you should get another car to replace those - they're easier to whittle. Good luck Byron Hynes wrote: > I have been asked to teach some kids about knife safety and basic use. > > I don't want to start a debate on what age should be allowed to carry > knives, or whether lock-blades are safer than sheath knives, etc. > > I would like to know if anyone has suggestions for creative, fun and > safe ways to convey basic knife safety or knife usage to a younger > audience. > > - Byron Hynes > bph@ntnet.nt.ca