From <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Wed Apr 1 14:02:34 1998 Return-Path: <@tcuavm.is.tcu.edu:owner-scouts-l@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> Received: from tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (TCUAVM.IS.TCU.EDU [138.237.128.148]) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA15836 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:02:34 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by tcuavm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6087; Wed, 01 Apr 98 10:15:40 CDT Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1544; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:15:47 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 9619 for SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:14:44 -0500 Received: from TCUBVM (NJE origin SMTP@TCUBVM) by TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9618; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:03:37 -0500 Received: from ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU by tcubvm.is.tcu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 01 Apr 98 00:03:25 CDT Received: from mx1.dynasty.net (mx1.dynasty.net) by ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #20456) id <01IVC2G8O9Q800E6H4@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU> for scouts-l@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:01:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jessica ([208.205.50.144]) by mx1.Dynasty.Net (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAG202; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:01:45 -0600 X-Sender: blkeagle@mail.dynasty.net MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980401060207.00d62598@mail.dynasty.net> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:02:07 -0600 Reply-To: "settummanque, or blackeagle (Mike Walton)" Sender: Scouts-L Youth Group List From: "settummanque, or blackeagle (Mike Walton)" Subject: Re: Looking for past Eagles X-To: "Jason A. Cruse" , scouts-l@tcu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L Status: RO X-Status: D Jason Cruse asked: >I know none of my troop's past Eagles are on the list. So that avenue is >shot... > >Without having to spend hours in my council's office looking over >records to find past Eagles (our troop's records are shoddy), is there any >other way of getting this information? I know when I got mine, and a >couple of my friends, but I'm told that we've had about 9 Eagles, and I can >only account for five. All I have is a troop number, not even dates. I wished that National would have a public database available which lists all Eagle Scouts, but they don't. Here's four postings from the past which explains what you need to do: >From Bob Amick: Your Council Scout Office should have a complete record of all Eagles in the history of your troop. If not, the National Office in Irving, TX will have similar files as a "backup" which should go back to the beginning of the BSA. There may, of course be some records which for various reasons were not recorded, or have been lost, especially in the early years of Scouting, but overall they are very complete and reliable. >From Mark W. Arend: I have a letter from John Dalrymple, Direcctor of Eagle Scout Services at National. They do have records of Eagles going back to 1912; the records are in alphabetical order by year. So, if you know the name of the Eagle & the approximate year you can get confirmation of that Eagle. But they cannot search through the records to compile a list of Eagles from a Troop. To get such a list you can: a--go down to Dallas & look yourself b--pay to have them hire a temporary person to search the records J. Kevin Chapman wrote: About 3 years ago I had an occasion to be in Dallas on business. I had a little time to kill so I went to the National Headquarters. The folks were very friendly and gave me a tour of the facility. We went to the OA area, the Boys Life, and when we got to NESA a very funny thing happened. They were converting to a new entry form for membership to NESA. The old method literally come from an old bookkeepers manual. The manual had the following entries---Name of the Eagle Scout , troop council , and the month and year he received his Eagle. Ironically, I had sent my Life membership monies in a little earlier and had forgotten it. Suddenly, as I am looking over this book and the lady is entering the names into the computer my name come up for the imprinting. Pretty amazing. The point is exactly right that Bob Amick states is that the entries were done by hand---similar to the Irish monks for the Book of Kells. Now it is on a computer format. Thanks for letting me share this story. And finally from me: There are three ways you can find Eagle Scouts from your Troop: *The easiest is to go to your Council office and spend a day looking at the file of your Troop that they maintain. It will have local copies of all advancments in the Troop since it started, to include Eagle. If you're lucky, you will also see in there copies of Courts of Honor scripts and other items as well. Ask for photocopies of whatever you find. *The second easiest is to contact the National Eagle Scout Assocation at the BSA's National Office (SUM 200). Ask them to assist you in a search for Eagle Scouts from your Troop. You will need the Troop number, Council number AND "headquarters city" (the city in which your Council office is located in...this is the PHYSICAL ADDRESS -- CITY AND STATE -- WHERE YOUR COUNCIL IS LOCATED. ). The Headquarters City is what the BSA files all kinds of things under. *The third easist is to go to National and look it up yourself. It'll take you the better part of the morning, and of course, you will need that same information that you needed if you were writing to National. Also expect that some days, you won't be able to get in the offices to review the books (they write our names down in ledger books for easier filing). Hope this helps! Settummanque! (c) 1997 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") (502) 827-9201 (settummanque, the blackeagle) http://dynasty.net/users/blkeagle 241 Fairview Dr., Henderson, KY 42420-4339 blkeagle@dynasty.net kyblkeagle@aol.com or waltonm@hq.21taacom.army.mil ---- FORWARD in service to youth ----